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Topic: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

1.  Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 15 days ago

I am currently a production engineer working in a large Chlor-alkali production unit. I graduated with my BS in chemical engineering almost 2 years ago and have since taken and passed the FE exam. At this time my interests lie in process design and operation, but I can't rule out management as a potential path for me down the road. In my time at the company, I have found that no chemical engineers at my site hold their PE in the chemical discipline. There are a few that have their licesnce in environmental or process controls, but none in the core chemical engineering sense. That made me wonder about the benefits of holding a PE license while employed by a chemical company in the private sector. There are undoubtedly different advantages to becoming a certified PE versus acquiring a MBA or masters in engineering, and I was hoping for some feedback on how more experienced engineers have made the decision to pursue one, or multiple types of advanced degree/licensure. Also, it would be great if you could provide some insight as to how your choice has impacted your career progression.

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Cory Thomas
Production Engineer
Axiall Corporation, a Westlake company
Proctor, WV
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2.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 15 days ago

Hi Cory,

Different companies have different requirements for their engineers and managers.  For example, my company typically does not require MBA for the managers or EIT/PE for the chemical engineers (unless the engineer is required to sign or stamp legal engineering documents).  What we look for in candidates when we hire them for these positions is relevant past experience or skill set.   Showing examples of successfully completing a technical project or leading a high performance team speaks volumes about the candidate's strengths.  In other words, results are more important than titles. 

Having that said, if you want to work in R&D or design, you will find the experience acquired while studying for EIT/PE relevant because it will motivate you to polish your knowledge of the theory and will make you comfortable with applying it when performing complicated calculations.  Moreover, if you want to become a non-engineering people manager (e.g. supply chain, compliance, and finance), you will find the MBA training relevant because it will introduce you to concepts that are not covered when you were in the engineering school.

My suggestion is that if you like your current company, reach out to your colleagues and find out what projects they are working on.  If you find anything interesting have a conversation with your manager to see if you can dedicate a part of your time to that project.  After you spend some time on that project, you will find out which skills are required for that line of work, and then you can plan for furthering your academic education if that is needed for your career development.

Cheers,

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Nader Shakerin
Facilities Manager
Intel Corporation
Chandler AZ



3.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 14 days ago

I am recently retired but got my PE as soon as possible after graduating from college.  That required a four year waiting period back then.  I worked in oil refining my entire career, except for a stint as the company lobbyist, and did design work and later plant and corporate management.  Out of dozens of chemical engineers I worked with only three had a PE license so there certainly was no career impediment to those without.  However I always got to put it on my business card and resume and it gave my personal brand a little extra zip.  It also helped build my credibility as a lobbyist and on the occasions where I testified in litigation involving our company it helped impress the jury.  Now that I'm retired it helps me in my side gigs, expert witnessing, lobbying and regulatory work.  Politicians, lawyers and regulators are much more impressed by titles and credentials than are other engineers. 

So there is no downside to getting it, I thought it was a pretty easy test that required only a few hours of study (but only if you are using most of your classwork on a daily basis in your job, like I was at the time).  Plus, if you fail it nobody will know as long as you don't use current contacts in your application as references.  Once you get it the continuing ed requirements are minimal and generally more than satisfied by your job training opportunities.  Plus if, like me, you enjoy doing other things outside of the traditional chem engr design work, it has some benefits.  I never got an MBA but I think it is of more value than a PE if you get into the corporate world.  But of course it also costs much more in time, money and effort to obtain. 

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Steven Cousins
El Dorado AR



4.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 14 days ago

Congratulations on passing your FE.  Because have a license is rare in our discipline, I have found my PE license useful when seeking a promotion in a current company or looking for a position in a new company.  All chemical engineers are talented.  A chemical engineer with a professional engineer's license is a rarity.  Having a PE license is an easy way to promote oneself.  Just my $0.02.

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Gregory Mehos
Sr Project Engineer
Jenike & Johanson Inc
Westford MA



5.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 14 days ago

Hi Cory,

Having spent over 30 years in my engineering career I can say a PE license is always useful. The preparation for the license examination is certainly worthwhile in reinforcing the process engineering training one receives in college. Moreover, this will allow you broaden your base in your career. In future if you want to pursue a career in a consulting industry, or even in manufacturing sector for a career in HSSE, or management, PE license is considered an asset. And, an MBA degree and a PE license are not mutually exclusive.

Somnath Basu, PhD, PE

Global Vice President

Headworks International

Houston, TX

  

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Somnath Basu
Vice President Global Process Engineering
Headworks International
Houston TX



6.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 14 days ago

Cory,

Get that PE license in chemical engineering ASAP.  You never know where your career will go and there may be times when it will be required for some opportunity you encounter.  It is easier to get it now than it will be later.  Compared to an MBA or another degree, obtaining and maintaining a PE license is relatively easy.  Also, having that PE after your name tells the world that you are an engineer of some standing, and that you are proud to be one.

Good Luck!

Neil Yeoman, PE, FAIChE

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Neil Yeoman, PE, FAIChE
Merrick NY



7.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 13 days ago

Corey,

Get your P.E. as soon as possible. It is credential that will make you stand out in your career. My understanding is that now you can take the test before having 5 years of experience. However, the P.E. license will not be given to you until you reach 5 years of experience once you pass the test (you are given now 3 opportunities to take the test). Check your state board to see if you still have time to register for the April test. If not, you will have to wait until October to take the test. I would also recommend taking one of the prep classes for the test to know what topics to focus on. Some AIChE local sections offer P.E. exam reviews like the South Texas Section. 

If you take the test in April, you can focus on starting your masters in the fall! 

Best regards,

Mariella Raven, P.E., PMP

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Mariella Raven PE,PMP,ISA84SISS
Staff Process Engineer
ConocoPhillips
Houston TX



8.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 13 days ago

Hi Cory, I just want to briefly reiterate what several of the commenters have said. Your PE license is really 'inexpensive career insurance'. One really doesn't know early in a career exactly what path may be followed, I cannot remember anyone advising me in either my undergrad days or graduate work to obtain a PE. The schools I attended (Penn and MIT) were very R&D oriented and probably had very few licensed faculty. Henceforth I did not even consider licensing until quite a few years after I had obtained my Ph.D. I don't think I took and passed the FE until about 10 years after my Ph.D. (I was then working for an A&E firm) and didn't obtain my PE until 21+ years after the Ph.D. I got through everything on my first attempt but it wasn't easy and required a lot of study and company refresher courses. Subsequently I have found it useful in my career to have this additional credential even though I fairly quickly left day-to-day technical work and progressed into technical management. Later in my career when I had become Director, Technical Programming at AIChE I really used both the Ph.D. and P.E. as "door openers" that helped me to gain good rapport with different elements of the volunteer community with which I worked at AIChE. Having a PE was also a requirement that  allowed me to start volunteering on NCEES (the association that develops and administers the exams) which has been a enriching part of my professional life for more than 15 years. Therefore although I never worked in R&D and never used my stamp I am grateful that I got both a Ph.D. and P.E. as just  the process of obtaining both was  immensely educational and gave me helpful insights into different types of chemical engineering communities.

So my advice is to obtain your Ph.D. as soon as you can. Right now the various states differ in when they allow one to stand for the PE. About a dozen allow one to take the PE right after the FE with most of the rest requiring about 4 years of experience. Since you have 2 years of experience you might want to wait and get the full 4 years of experience before going for the PE (there is some data that seems to indicate that passing rates are a bit higher for those with experience as the PE committees do try to include 'experience' questions on exams). Having the PE after 4 years of experience may also help if you later try to apply for a PE in another state through something called comity....which is a whole new issue. Passing rates range from the low 70s to high 70s for 1st time Ch.E. exam takers and really are higher than that for those who are truly serious about passing the exam and put in 'a little work'. So remember it will never be easier in your lifetime than in the next couple years. Good luck.

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Joseph Cramer PhD,PE,Fellowof
Director Emeritus, Program Development
Independent Consultant
Hendersonville NC



9.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 12 days ago

A P.E. license is "nice to have" if you work in the private sector and, as others have pointed out, a "must" if you work in the "public sector", i.e. your decisions and designs affect the public.  The roots of the P.E. license, as we all know, lie in civil engineering, because bridges must not fall down.  That is why, in 1977, when I took the FE exam (called the Engineer in Training exam in Massachusetts back then), I had to know some pretty serious civil engineering.  Of course, my well rounded curriculum and graduation requirements at UMass Amherst back in 1966-1970 included a statics course and a dynamics course.  Enough to help me pass the FE exam the first time.  That plus a good review course that I took.  

When I applied for a seat for the P.E. exam in 1984 in Massachusetts, I needed "four years of responsible engineering charge."  That's a little different than "four years of experience."  Other than references, the main way that I had to demonstrate responsible engineering charge was to submit "examples of your work not to exceed one pound."  So I stacked up some paperwork on a postage scale in the mail room and kept weighing it until I got to 16 ounces.  I got a big manilla envelope, placed the one pound of work into it, along with a copy of my sheep skin, the application and a check for $40 - the filing fee.  I have always suspected that the most important piece of paper in the envelope was the $40 check!!  Are the requirements the same today?

P.S.:  Since retirement 7 years ago, I no longer respond to ASAP.  Well, maybe if the house was on fire.  

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John Sharland PE,FSFPE
Bridgewater MA



10.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 11 days ago
This is really helpful. I am in the same situation where I was thinking of getting some kind of further education/licensure, but I hadn't thought about AIChE until I received the daily email saying this was one of the topics. Good question!

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Stephen Guelda
R&D Engineer
Zeochem
Louisville KY
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11.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 3 days ago
**Full Disclosure: I am the 2016-2017 President of the National Society of Professional Engineers**

Cory,

First of all, congratulations on taking the first steps to licensure -- graduating with a BS in chemical engineering and passing the Fundamentals of Engineering exam. I echo many of the comments already made in this thread supporting taking of the principles and practice of engineering exam and obtaining your PE license.

I graduated with my BS in chemical engineering in 2004, determined to obtain my PE license. I had a professor in my chemical engineering program who impressed upon all of us the importance of obtaining our PE license as quickly as possible after graduation. He stressed that given we never knew where our careers would take us, having the PE license would always be an additional credential on our resume, but would also provide us opportunities not available to unlicensed engineers; as some  have called it, "career insurance." Set yourself up to keep as many doors open in your career as possible!

I worked in the design of environmental control equipment and in fossil-fuel-fired power generation right out of college, for a power company. Being an Engineer-in-Training (the designation used in Minnesota to identify those who had passed the FE exam) on the path to licensure provided me many unique experience opportunities. Particularly because many of the state and federal regulations under which the company I worked for required a PE to certify the work done, my employer was very supportive of my desire to obtain my PE license. Even had they not been so supportive, I still would have done the work to complete the requisite experience and sit for the principles and practice of engineering exam. My PE license has opened so many doors and opportunities for me. Although I am now a lawyer, and no longer practice engineering, I still find that having PE behind my name is incredibly valuable when working with my clients!

To this, some have mentioned the "industrial exemption" very broadly. It's important to note that what is defined as the "practice of engineering" and what is included in the "industrial exemption" varies by state. It's important to be aware that what does and does not require a PE license regarding the practice of engineering is regulated at the state-level. What may be exempt in one state by statute or code may not be exempt in another state.

I also do NOT think it is an "either or" proposition as you have framed it. I worked full-time while attending law school in the evenings for four years. In the fall of my third year of law school, I applied, studied, and sat for the principles and practice of engineering exam and passed. So there is no reason why you cannot obtain your PE license if you do decide to go back to school to get your MBA or your masters degree.

Good luck to you!

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Kodi Verhalen PE, Esq, F.NSPE
Attorney
Briggs and Morgan, PA
Minneapolis MN
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12.  RE: Benefits and relevance of Chemical Engineering PE relative to other advanced qualifications

Posted 6 hours ago
If you every want to set up your own consulting engineering firm or join a small engineering firm,  a PE certification is essential.  Without it, obtaining Professional Liability Insurance is very, very difficult.  A PE is required for many government contracts or to work as an expert witness.  If you want to do research, on the other hand, a PhD is much more useful.

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Jesse Wilson
Risk Engineer
Auburn WA
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